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04/20/2023 01:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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01:41:17 PM Start
01:41:51 PM Overview: Ancsa 14(c)(3) and the Municipal Lands Trustee Program
02:27:34 PM Adjourn
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Overview: ANCSA 14(c)(3) and the Municipal
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    SENATE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                  
                         April 20, 2023                                                                                         
                           1:41 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Forrest Dunbar, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donald Olson, Vice Chair                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: ALASKA NATIVE CLAIMS SETTLEMENT ACT 14(C)(3) AND THE                                                                  
MUNICIPAL LANDS TRUSTEE PROGRAM                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 79                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the reclassification of first class cities                                                                  
as second class cities; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA MOLLER, Director and Municipal Lands Trust Officer                                                                       
Division of Community and Regional Affairs (DCRA)                                                                               
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented an overview of the Municipal Lands                                                              
Trustee Program and the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act                                                                     
14(c)(3).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
NATHAN MCCOWAN, Chair                                                                                                           
Alaska Native Village Corporation Association                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Gave  invited  testimony  pertaining to  the                                                             
Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BEN MALLOTT, Vice President                                                                                                     
Internal Affairs                                                                                                                
Alaska Federation of Natives (AFN)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Gave  invited  testimony  pertaining to  the                                                             
Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS GRUNDMAN, Program Manager                                                                                                 
Municipal Lands Trustee Program                                                                                                 
Division of Community and Regional Affairs                                                                                      
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Answered   questions  pertaining   to  the                                                             
Municipal  Lands Trustee  Program  and the  Alaska Native  Claims                                                               
Settlement                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:41:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FORREST DUNBAR  called the  Senate Community  and Regional                                                             
Affairs Standing Committee meeting to  order at 1:41 p.m. Present                                                               
at the call  to order were Senators Giessel,  Bjorkman, and Chair                                                               
Dunbar. Senator Gray-Jackson arrived immediately thereafter.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  ANCSA  14(c)(3)  and   THE  MUNICIPAL  LANDS  TRUSTEE                                                               
PROGRAM                                                                                                                         
OVERVIEW: ALASKA  NATIVE CLAIMS  SETTLEMENT ACT 14(c)(3)  AND THE                                                           
MUNICIPAL LANDS TRUSTEE PROGRAM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:41:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  announced an overview  of the Alaska  Native Claims                                                               
Settlement (ANCSA)14(c)(3) and the  Municipal Lands Trustee (MLT)                                                               
Program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON joined the meeting.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SANDRA  MOLLER,  Director  and  Municipal  Lands  Trust  Officer,                                                               
Division of Community and Regional  Affairs (DCRA), Department of                                                               
Commerce, Community and  Economic Development, Anchorage, Alaska,                                                               
presented  an  overview  of the  Municipal  Lands  Trustee  (MLT)                                                               
Program  and  the Alaska  Native  Claims  Settlement (ANCSA)  Act                                                               
14(c)(3). She  began on slide  and described how the  MLT Program                                                               
got started:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     History of MLT Program                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section   14(c)(3)   of   the  Alaska   Native   Claims                                                                    
     Settlement  Act  (ANCSA)  requires all  Native  village                                                                    
     corporations that receive land  under the provisions of                                                                    
     Sections  14(a)  and (b)  of  ANCSA  to convey  certain                                                                    
     lands to  the existing municipality in  the village or,                                                                    
     if no  municipality exists, to  the State in  trust for                                                                    
     any  municipality  that  may   be  established  in  the                                                                    
     future.  Acceptance  of  the  trust  responsibility  is                                                                    
     found in  Alaska Statute (AS) 44.33.755,  which defines                                                                    
     "municipality"  as "only  first or  second-class cities                                                                    
     incorporated under  the laws  of the state."  The lands                                                                    
     conveyed to  the State in  trust are  called "municipal                                                                    
     trust lands."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The role of the MLT Program is basically two-fold:                                                                         
        1. Accepting  land    into   trust    from   Village                                                                    
          Corporations, and                                                                                                     
        2. Managing and administering municipal trust land                                                                      
          until the village incorporates as a city.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:45:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  MOLLER  summarized  slide  3, which  listed  all  the  ANCSA                                                               
villages  in   the  MLT  Program  by   regional  corporation  and                                                               
geographic area.  Village corporations  that received  land under                                                               
ANCSA  14(c)(3) are  on this  list and  in the  MLT Program.  She                                                               
pointed out that  not all Alaska communities  are ANCSA villages.                                                               
She said  there were  103 communities  in the  program initially,                                                               
and  about  12 to  13  are  abandoned communities.  For  example,                                                               
residents  no longer  live on  the island  of Unga.  However, the                                                               
Aleut  Corporation still  has  the land  and  the requirement  to                                                               
transfer  the property  to a  public entity.  The division  calls                                                               
these  vacant  villages;  they  still have  land  but  nobody  to                                                               
transfer it to because there is no community.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:47:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  said it is  clear why some communities  are still                                                               
in  the MLT  Program, but  it  is unclear  why other  communities                                                               
remain in the  program. He asked why  fairly well-established and                                                               
functioning communities stay in the MLT program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER replied that the MLT  Program permits DCRA to take two                                                               
actions:                                                                                                                        
- it can accept land from a village corporation, and                                                                            
- it can transfer land to a new city.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER said  that populations in MLT  areas have communities,                                                               
but they have not decided to  create a city. The program requires                                                               
a land transfer  to a city, not a community  association. This is                                                               
the big  issue DCRA  faces. The  division can  lease the  land to                                                               
these communities.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:48:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  asked about  the letters next  to community                                                               
names on slide 3.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOLLER directed  the committee  to the  legend in  the lower                                                               
right corner  of the slide. She  pointed out that the  letter "C"                                                               
means  the community  "Completed 14(c)(3)  Reconveyance" and  "Z"                                                               
means   "Completed with  no MLT Lands."  She said  each community                                                               
has  a back  story, and  the division  can give  more details  if                                                               
members are interested.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:49:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER reviewed slide 4:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Appropriate Village Entity (AVE).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In most  villages there is a  village organization that                                                                    
     represents  local residents  in  decisions about  trust                                                                    
     lands.  This  may be  a  village  council, a  community                                                                    
     association,  or some  other group  established in  the                                                                    
     community.   The  recognized   group   is  called   the                                                                    
     "appropriate  village entity"  (AVE). The  role of  the                                                                    
     AVE is to speak for village residents.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  AVE  is   a  partner  with  the   MLT  Program  in                                                                    
     identifying land  for conveyance under  ANCSA 14(c)(3).                                                                    
     In communities that  do not have an AVE,  land uses are                                                                    
     voted  on  by  local  residents in  a  village  meeting                                                                    
     conducted  by MLT  staff. Of  the 83  communities still                                                                    
     subject to the MLT program, 58 have an identified AVE.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Once land is conveyed into  trust, it is only available                                                                    
     for use with the approval of the AVE.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  MLT Program  invites each  AVE to  make long  term                                                                    
     plans  for  trust  land.  These  plans  help  both  the                                                                    
     community and  MLT consider what  land uses are  in the                                                                    
     best interest of  residents now and in  the future. The                                                                    
      goal of the MLT Program is to work closely with the                                                                       
     AVE to ensure a good faith partnership.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:50:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER  advanced to slide  5, which  shows a snapshot  of the                                                               
history of the MLT Program. She  noted that ANCSA passed in 1971,                                                               
and  the first  lands  the state  took into  trust  as a  partial                                                               
settlement happened nine years later.  She explained some details                                                               
about the  settlement process, stating communities  vary in their                                                               
interest and  involvement. DCRA works  with communities  that are                                                               
interested in  the program. DCRA  does not randomly reach  out to                                                               
communities in the  MLT Program; the role of DCRA  is not that of                                                               
ANCSA 14(c)(3) enforcer. She reviewed slide 5:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Timeline Since Passage of ANCSA                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Year      Milestone                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1971      Passage of ANCSA                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      1975      Enactment of AS 44.47.150 accepting trust                                                                       
               responsibility                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     1977      MLT program starts operations                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      1980      First lands taken into trust as a partial                                                                       
               settlement (Karluk)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      1981      Passage of ANILCA, amending total acreage                                                                       
               required  for reconveyance  Implementation of                                                                    
               MLT  regulations  Recognition of  Appropriate                                                                    
               Village Entities (AVEs)  begins Completion of                                                                    
               the  first  evaluation  of  tender  for  land                                                                    
               settlement (Takotna)                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     1990      First deed for complete settlement (Ugashik)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
    1991-2022 Work    with   communities    on   settlement                                                                     
               agreements and leases                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     2023      Pending completion of 14(c)(3) reconveyance                                                                      
               to the State in Trust (Cantwell)                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER  reviewed slide  6, which shows  some of  the progress                                                               
that has been made:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Summary of MLT Community Status                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     There were originally 101  communities included as part                                                                    
     of  the  MLT  program.  A   total  of  only  eight  (8)                                                                    
     communities have incorporated  into a municipality, the                                                                    
     latest being in 1995.  Another six (6) communities have                                                                    
     approved zero-acre  settlement agreements as  a "vacant                                                                    
     village,   and one  (1) other  settlement with  the re-                                                                    
     conveyed  lands granted  to a  borough. All  lands were                                                                    
     conveyed out of trust  for three (3) other communities.                                                                    
     This  leaves  83  communities that  are  still  covered                                                                    
     under the MLT program,  with approximately 11,500 acres                                                                    
     currently held in trust.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  status  of   village  corporations  (MLT  program)                                                                    
     satisfaction of the 14(c)(3) reconveyance obligations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Complete       Incorporated        8                                                                                       
     Complete       No MLT Acreage      10                                                                                      
     Complete       With MLT Acreage    30                                                                                      
     Partial        With MLT Acreage    12                                                                                      
     In-Process     With no MLT Acreage 4                                                                                       
     Not Complete   No Progress         37                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:55:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BJORKMAN asked  about  the  unincorporated community  of                                                               
Ninilchik that  transferred a small  parcel of land to  the State                                                               
to  be held  in trust.  He  wondered what  the benefit  is for  a                                                               
community to do this.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER sought clarification about the question.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BJORKMAN  asked why  a community would  deed land  to the                                                               
State to be held in trust.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER replied that the State  of Alaska only wants to accept                                                               
land into trust if the community  has a strategy for its use. The                                                               
State is not interested in  owning scattered sites around Alaska.                                                               
The  Bureau  of Land  Management  pushed  to get  ANSCA  14(c)(3)                                                               
settled   in  the   early  1980s,   and  some   communities  just                                                               
transferred  deeds  in  the  momentum  of  the  push.  The  State                                                               
received the  bulk of  deeds in  that push,  and it  carries this                                                               
bureaucratic  burden   on  behalf  of  future   communities.  She                                                               
expressed  her  belief  that  holding  the  land  in  trust  only                                                               
benefits communities with plans for a future city.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR clarified  that the  term "land  into trust"  has a                                                               
specific  meaning in  the federal  context, and  there are  legal                                                               
reasons for putting land into  a federal trust. He emphasized the                                                               
federal  meaning differs  from  land held  in  trust under  ANCSA                                                               
14(c)(3). He  sought confirmation that communities  are no longer                                                               
actively  seeking   this  out  and   that  the  State   does  not                                                               
particularly want it.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER  replied yes, that  is exactly right. She  thanked him                                                               
for the clear  distinction between federal and  State trusts. She                                                               
said the terminology is often  confusing. She reiterated that the                                                               
land held  in trust  to the  State is  specific to  villages that                                                               
received land under ANCSA.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER summarized slide 7:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     When the Trustee Role Ends                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     When a village  incorporates as a city,  the State will                                                                    
     convey  to the  city all  the municipal  trust land  it                                                                    
     holds.  An accounting  will be  made  for all  revenues                                                                    
     received,  and these  funds may  be transferred  to the                                                                    
     city.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     A village may incorporate  into a municipality prior to                                                                    
     the  State  accepting  any  reconveyance  of  municipal                                                                    
     trust  lands.  The  newly formed  city  would  then  be                                                                    
     responsible  for  pursuing  the transfer  of  municipal                                                                    
     trust lands under ANCSA 14(c)(3).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Village             Year of Incorporation                                                                         
          Akutan              1979                                                                                              
          Atqasuk             1982                                                                                              
          Chignik             1983                                                                                              
          St. George          1983                                                                                              
          Atka                1988                                                                                              
          False Pass          1990                                                                                              
          Pilot Point         1992                                                                                              
          Egegik              1995                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:59:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER advanced to a map  on slide 8, which showed a snapshot                                                               
of where  the State owns  land in trust.  The circles on  the map                                                               
depict  the  acreage  the  State  has  in  full  deeds.  DCRA  is                                                               
carefully looking  at lands identified for  conveyance; the State                                                               
only wants to accept more land into trust if a community puts                                                                   
effort into becoming a city.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER reviewed slide 9, which identifies how lands held in                                                                 
trust are used:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Site Control on Municipal Trust Land                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Most of  the Municipal Trust Land  remains vacant where                                                                    
     raw  land comprises  approximately  9,760 acres.  Known                                                                    
     improvements with active site  control, such as leases,                                                                    
     easements, or  permits, total  around 1,750  acres. The                                                                    
     number of residential  improvements or occupied acreage                                                                    
     (housing)  has  not  been  previously  tracked  and  is                                                                    
     currently being evaluated.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Disposals of  municipal trust land  by deed is  also an                                                                    
     option, however  certain covenants must be  included in                                                                    
     the conveyance  to allow for  the transfer of  the land                                                                    
     to  a   city  when  incorporated.  Majority   of  prior                                                                    
     conveyance by deed have  been for residential purposes.                                                                    
     Approximate acreage are shown for the following uses:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        990 acres  Airport Properties (mostly managed by                                                                        
                    ADOT&PF)                                                                                                    
       75 acres    Schools (DEED, Boroughs, or Regional/                                                                        
                    Village Corp.)                                                                                              
        225 acres   Landfills and Sewage Lagoons                                                                                
        105 acres   Other Infrastructure                                                                                        
       240 acres   Easements and ROWs (Public Access and                                                                        
                    Utilities)                                                                                                  
        114 acres  Water Facilities/Well Houses/Public                                                                          
                    Works Facilities                                                                                            
        11 acres    Bulk Fuel Storage and Power Plants                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER reviewed slide 10:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     (MLT) Program Philosophy                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  Municipal Lands  Trustee Program  is  guided by  a                                                                    
     Statement of Trust Philosophy.  Among other things, the                                                                    
     Statement of Trust Philosophy provides:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        1. The State CANNOT acquire title to  nor administer                                                                    
          municipal trust lands for its own sovereign use                                                                       
          and benefit.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        2. Municipal trust lands are held for  a future city                                                                    
          and are for the ultimate general welfare of all                                                                       
          inhabitants, now and in the future.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        3. Great weight will be given by the  Trustee to the                                                                    
          views of the residents.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        4. The Trustee has the duty to be responsive both to                                                                    
          present needs of the village and to foreseeable                                                                       
          needs of any future city.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        5. The village  should  not  find  it  necessary  to                                                                    
          incorporate as a city only for the purpose of                                                                         
          obtaining control of the municipal trust lands.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:03:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER summarized slide 11, which identifies lands that                                                                     
potentially should or should not go into trust:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Accepting Municipal Trust Land                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Reaching  a   14(c)(3)  agreement   is  best   done  by                                                                    
     interaction between  the AVE, the  village corporation,                                                                    
     and   the   MLT   Program.  Sharing   of   information,                                                                    
     cooperation,  and the  involvement  of local  residents                                                                    
     are vital to a successful 14(c)(3) settlement.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        MLT asks five questions in deciding to accept a                                                                         
     14(c)(3) proposal:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        1. Is acceptance of  the 14(c)(3)  land in  the best                                                                    
          interest of a future city?                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        2. Does the proposal  include all  improved land  in                                                                    
          the village?                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        3. Is there enough  land included  which is  clearly                                                                    
          essential to meet all present or foreseeable                                                                          
          community needs?                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        4. Would future land  use  patterns  created by  the                                                                    
          conveyance impair the economic viability of the                                                                       
          village corporation?                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        5. Is the acceptance of the land consistent with the                                                                    
          views of the village residents?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The end product is a  14(c)(3) agreement that works for                                                                    
     all  parties.  The  14(c)(3)   land  will  reflect  the                                                                    
     community's view of the future.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:04:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER reviewed slide 12:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Management of Municipal Trust Lands                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     After municipal  trust land is identified  and conveyed                                                                    
     to the  State in  trust, the MLT  Program takes  on the                                                                    
     role of land manager. A  land status record and history                                                                    
     of each  parcel of  land is  maintained. The  MLT staff                                                                    
     also takes any  action necessary to dispose  of land or                                                                    
     interest  in  land  such as  the  issuance  of  leases,                                                                    
     easements or  permits. In regard to  disposals, the MLT                                                                    
     Program  is   guided  by   some  important   legal  and                                                                    
     regulatory requirements:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        1. No disposal  may  be made  without  prior  public                                                                    
          notice.                                                                                                               
        2. The AVE or village residents must  approve of the                                                                    
          disposal action.                                                                                                      
        3. Disposals will be for at least  fair market value                                                                    
          unless waived.                                                                                                        
        4. The fair market value  requirement may  be waived                                                                    
          for public or charitable purposes, village                                                                            
          relocation,    equitable    interest,    or    for                                                                    
          residential expansion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     MLT  staff  are  currently tasked  with  the  following                                                                    
     priorities:                                                                                                                
        • Inventorying  all  known improvements  located  on                                                                    
          municipal trust lands.                                                                                                
        • Secure   site  control   (leases,  easements,   or                                                                    
          permits) when and where appropriate.                                                                                  
        • Convey  by  deed,  when  possible,  lands  to  the                                                                    
          owners of the improvements.                                                                                           
        • Update and  keep current the  status of  all lands                                                                    
          in GIS and the MLT dashboard (both under                                                                              
          development).                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:05:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER reviewed slide 13:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Current Situation and Next Steps                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Reality is                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      • Villages struggle to, or even resist incorporating                                                                      
        into a municipality.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     • Some village corporations and tribes desire for the                                                                      
        lands to be conveyed back to the village corporation                                                                    
        or to the tribe, or be  released from the obligation                                                                    
        entirely.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
       • A cloud on title remains on village corporation                                                                        
        lands subject ANCSA 14(c)(3) to reconvey  lands to a                                                                    
        city or  the State  in Trust.  Any use  of the  land                                                                    
        authorized by the  village corporation  requires the                                                                    
        State's written disclaimer of interest.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         • The State's trust responsibility under ANCSA                                                                         
        requires  that  "all"   municipal  trust   lands  be                                                                    
        transferred  to  a  city   when  incorporated.  This                                                                    
        conflicts with current MLT  regulations that provide                                                                    
        for the disposal of lands by deed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • No deadline to transfer the lands.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     • State does not benefit from owning isolated parcels                                                                      
        of land across rural Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The division supports maximum local self-governance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER  advanced to  slide 14,  stating the  idea of  the MLT                                                               
Program was great initially but  has probably run its course. The                                                               
State  requires   federal  legislation  to  address   this  issue                                                               
differently,  which DCRA  supports.  The  COVID pandemic  stalled                                                               
legislation  introduced  that  addressed   this  issue.  DCRA  is                                                               
interested in discussions  that sunset the MLT  program. She said                                                               
the State  should retain  some lands for  airports and  rights of                                                               
way. She reviewed slide 14:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Issues and Priorities                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Issues to be addressed through changes in federal law,                                                                     
     state regulations, and department policy:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • Federal legislation to amend ANCSA would be                                                                           
          required to remove the 14(c)(3) obligation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        • If 14(c)(3) were to be amended, consideration                                                                         
          should  be given  as to  what to  do with  private                                                                    
          improvements,   public   airport  properties   and                                                                    
         schools, as well as preserving public access.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • Changes to State regulations may be needed to                                                                         
          address  the  conflict   with  the  State's  trust                                                                    
          responsibility and  the ability to convey  land by                                                                    
          deed without requiring  overly stringent covenants                                                                    
          such  as   reversionary  clauses  to   that  would                                                                    
          transfer  the land  and improvements  to the  city                                                                    
          upon incorporation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER advanced to slide 15, which reads:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Need more information?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Website:                                                                                                                   
     www.commerce.alaska.gov/web/dcra/PlanningLandManagement                                                                    
     /MunicipalLandTrusteeProgram                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The following publications are available:                                                                                  
        • An Overview of the Municipal Lands Trustee Program                                                                    
        • Getting Started on ANCSA 14(c)(3)                                                                                     
        • Statement of Trust Philosophy                                                                                         
        • Municipal Trust Land Regulations                                                                                      
        • Program Flyer: What is an "Appropriate Village                                                                        
          Entity?"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:09:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON asked whether the MLT program manages                                                                      
unoccupied land.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER answered the program manages both. It manages vacant                                                                 
land and about 1,700 acres with a purpose, like a water                                                                         
treatment plant or a school.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON asked about DCRA's relationship with a                                                                     
village after it becomes a city, like Akutan.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER replied that DCRA  wishes them well and graduates them                                                               
from the MLT Program. She  said that local government specialists                                                               
help graduated cities with elections and setting up policies.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNBAR moved  down the  agenda  and asked  Mr. McCowan  to                                                               
begin his invited testimony.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:10:27 PM                                                                                                                    
NATHAN   MCCOWAN,  Chair,   Alaska  Native   Village  Corporation                                                               
Association  (ANVCA), Anchorage,  Alaska, gave  invited testimony                                                               
about  the  Alaska  Native  Claims Settlement  Act.  ANVCA  is  a                                                               
nonprofit entity organized to advocate  for the specific needs of                                                               
village and urban corporations pursuant  to ANCSA. He highlighted                                                               
the  history  of ANCSA,  stating  there  were about  220  village                                                               
corporations originally. That  number has declined to  176 due to                                                               
mergers  in  the  late  1970s and  1980s.  Some  member  entities                                                               
completed the  ANCSA 14(c) process,  and others are still  in the                                                               
process and  encountering problems. He  said ANCSA was  a complex                                                               
piece of legislation that involved  balancing a State land freeze                                                               
with land  selections at  play, the  development of  Prudhoe Bay,                                                               
and the  extinguishment of  claims of  the Alaska  Native people.                                                               
One  of  the  questions  that  arose was  what  to  do  with  the                                                               
individual localities,  the individual villages, cities,  and the                                                               
private property  interests of individuals who  had created homes                                                               
in some of the unincorporated portions of the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:12:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MCCOWAN briefly described ANCSA 14(c):                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
- ANCSA 14(c)(1) allowed individuals  who had homes or businesses                                                               
  to receive a quitclaim deed to their property.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
-  ANCSA  14(c)(2) did  the  same  thing with  nonprofits,  which                                                               
  affects mostly churches.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
-  ANCSA 14(c)(3)  and  (4) had  to do  with  turning over  land,                                                               
  existenting local city municipalities, future municipalities,                                                                 
  and airstrips and airports.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCOWAN said  ANSCA has  different provisions  for different                                                               
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:13:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MCCOWAN said  only eight  communities  created cities  after                                                               
ANCSA. He  noted that most  of them have  fisheries as a  base of                                                               
operations.  He pointed  out that  St. George  created a  city to                                                               
capture a  fish tax. The primary  reason cities are built  is for                                                               
the  oversight and  maintenance expenses  of government.  He said                                                               
that  it  becomes  a  difficult proposition  for  many  of  these                                                               
locales, from a  cost-benefit analysis, to justify  having a city                                                               
government if the locale cannot  generate a stable tax regime. He                                                               
pointed  out  that for  some  of  these  locales, having  a  city                                                               
government can limit communities from a flexibility standpoint.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCOWAN  said  that  ANVCA  is seeking  a  solution  to  the                                                               
cumbersome   MLT  Program   for  members   challenged  with   the                                                               
development   of  critical   infrastructure,  the   expansion  of                                                               
housing, the development  of a new cemetery,  and other projects.                                                               
ANVCA  would like  to see  program improvement  akin to  the 2004                                                               
[Alaska Land Transfer Acceleration Act]  to hasten the process of                                                               
getting land  back in  the hands  of village  corporations. ANVCA                                                               
shares  some of  the concerns  DCRA has  about rights  of access,                                                               
private property  interests, and  other matters.  However, member                                                               
interests  are better  served  over the  long  term by  returning                                                               
lands to  village corporations. He said  village corporations can                                                               
make more  productive decisions on  the ground than  working with                                                               
the small but mighty group in the MLT Program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR thanked  Mr. McCowan and asked Mr.  Mallott to begin                                                               
his invited testimony.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:57 PM                                                                                                                    
BEN MALLOTT, Vice-President,  Internal Affairs, Alaska Federation                                                               
of  Natives  (AFN),  Anchorage, Alaska,  gave  invited  testimony                                                               
about  the  Alaska  Native  Claims Settlement  Act.  He  gave  an                                                               
overview of the AFN organization and  said that AFN and ANVCA are                                                               
closely aligned  on this  issue and  its resolution.  AFN affirms                                                               
its self-determination and the direct  management and interest of                                                               
its own lands. ANCSA 14(c)(3)  served a purpose decades back, but                                                               
now the Act is a relic from the  past. He said that he has worked                                                               
with  Congress to  address these  issues. The  State has  offered                                                               
limited or no clear direction on  what to do about this issue. He                                                               
appreciated  the director's  testimony, which  addressed barriers                                                               
on  a  federal level.  He  said  that  many communities  have  no                                                               
interest in becoming a city,  and there are more efficient routes                                                               
to resolve these land issues.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:19:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR underscored some  of the topics discussed, stating                                                               
about  10,000  acres  are  in   limbo.  These  lands  are  fairly                                                               
valuable, near communities or  historic communities. He expressed                                                               
his belief that these lands should  be put to beneficial use back                                                               
in the  hands of Alaskans.  The legislature,  administration, and                                                               
other stakeholders  need to  work together  on this  program; his                                                               
aim is  for the legislature to  speak to Congress with  one voice                                                               
about this issue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:20:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN  asked for  recent examples  of lands  placed in                                                               
trust to the state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOLLER answered  that DCRA has not accepted any  lands in the                                                               
last five years.  She directed the question to  Mr. Grundman, who                                                               
might have the exact date when the last deed occurred.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:21:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRIS   GRUNDMAN,  Program   Manager,  Municipal   Lands  Trustee                                                               
Program, Division  of Community and Regional  Affairs, Department                                                               
of  Commerce,  Community  and  Economic  Development,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, answered  that the most  recent community to  have nearly                                                               
completed the process was Cantwell.  It went through the approval                                                               
and selection  of lands  process, the  survey was  completed, and                                                               
the deed is  now under negotiation. DCRA is doing  a final review                                                               
of the  title and addressing  two minor encroachment  issues. The                                                               
deed will be  conveyed to the State and held  in trust around the                                                               
end of the fiscal year.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BJORKMAN asked  why Cantwell  chose to  put those  lands                                                               
into trust.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRUNDMAN  answered that  one benefit is  that it  removes the                                                               
encumbrance  on  the  title for  that  village  corporation.  The                                                               
village  corporation's hands  are  tied; the  corporation has  to                                                               
have  the  State's  concurrence  to  convey  any  other  land  or                                                               
authorize third-party  land uses  until the corporation  is clear                                                               
of  its  ANCSA  14(c)(1),  (2), and  (3)  obligations.  Once  the                                                               
obligation  is  clear  and  the  reconveyance  settled,  all  the                                                               
remaining lands are free to use as appropriate.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:23:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  sought clarification that village  corporations put                                                               
land in trust, not communities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRUNDMAN  answered  correct.  The land  comes  from  village                                                               
corporations, but  communities review, select, and  approve which                                                               
lands  are  conveyed to  the  State.  This process  requires  the                                                               
State's concurrent review and approval.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR asked when the last  time was that lands came out of                                                               
trust and into the hands of another entity that could use it.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRUNDMAN  expressed  his  belief  that  the  last  city  was                                                               
incorporated in 1995.  He said cities can use one  of two methods                                                               
to acquire title to ANCSA 14(c)(3) lands:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
-  The   city  can  negotiate   it  directly  from   the  village                                                               
corporation or                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
-  The State  can transfer  lands it  holds in  trust within  one                                                               
fiscal year,  along with all the  proceeds from the rent  or sale                                                               
of the properties.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:24:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BJORKMAN  asked  about projects  a  village  corporation                                                               
might want to do with land  other than land placed into trust for                                                               
a potential city.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRUNDMAN  answered  that several  community  projects,  like                                                               
public  services,  water  treatment  facilities,  landfills,  and                                                               
utilities,  may benefit  the community.  These types  of services                                                               
are done  at a  local level  with state  assistance. Corporations                                                               
identify  and select  lands for  residential development  through                                                               
housing authorities for residential purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRUNDMAN  clarified that those  lands in trust  are available                                                               
for  those  same purposes;  however,  they  must go  through  the                                                               
regulatory process  for review and  approval. It  requires public                                                               
notice and  a resolution from  the AVE or village  resident. DCRA                                                               
can authorize public  service projects through a  lease, deed, or                                                               
easement.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MOLLER  expanded on  her comments,  stating a  community that                                                               
graduates  out of  the  MLT  Program would  work  with the  Local                                                               
Boundary  Commission to  become a  city. DCRA  would continue  to                                                               
work with  the community on  local government  matters regardless                                                               
of  its  municipal  status. She  expressed  appreciation  to  the                                                               
committee for taking  the time to hear the ANCSA  and MLT Program                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:27:34 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Dunbar adjourned the Senate  Community and Regional Affairs                                                               
Standing Committee meeting at 2:27 p.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DCCED_DCRA MLT Presentation to SCRA 2023-04-20 VER 3.0 (002).pdf SCRA 4/20/2023 1:30:00 PM
DCCED_DCRA MLT Presentation to SCRA 2023-04-20 VER 3.0